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Kinor 2SR -electrical motor
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Понедельник, 19.05.2025, 15:37 | Сообщение # 1 |
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| Hello,
I am currently working on a 2SR, which soon I will be posting pictures. I am having trouble trying to work out how to power up the handle motor. Can anyone offer me information on connecting the handle motor to a power source?
Thanks, Gareth
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| jack | Дата: Вторник, 20.05.2025, 12:41 | Сообщение # 2 |
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| There are two types of motors for the camera. Each motor has its own separate cable and power supply. They are not interchangeable. Need to know what kind of motor you have?
"2CP.I2.000." This is a motor for alternating current from a 220/127V network https://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/2SR/IMG_6436.jpg
"2CP.II.000." This is a DC motor 9v https://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/2SR/IMG_6438.jpg
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 20.05.2025, 14:25 | Сообщение # 3 |
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| Hello,
I have both types of motor, 9volt, and 220v mains. I do not have the transformer or battery box. I have been struggling with the wiring as the wires are all red for the mains power lead, and blue for the 9volt battery lead. I have a variable voltage power supply. I have one 9volt motor, and two 220volt mains motors.
I have attached a wiring chart I made to help me. The chart is for the 220 volt mains motor.
I will be doing the same type of chart for the 9 volt motor, although both charts should be the same I suspect?
I believe I found the three live wires, and earth. However, the 9volt motor appears to have just two live wires and earth.
The remainder wires will be a nuetral, and two live wires that go on to the camera body plug to power the camera body.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 20.05.2025, 14:26 | Сообщение # 4 |
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| this is the wiring chart for the 220 volt power lead and motor
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 20.05.2025, 14:28 | Сообщение # 5 |
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| these are of the motor internals...
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 20.05.2025, 14:29 | Сообщение # 6 |
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| another...
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| jack | Дата: Четверг, 22.05.2025, 14:14 | Сообщение # 7 |
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| Hello,I have 220v and 9v electric drive kits. I used only 220v. The 9v kit does not have a connecting cable.
I have documents only for the 220v motor. It is synchronous hysteresis.
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| jack | Дата: Четверг, 22.05.2025, 14:38 | Сообщение # 8 |
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| Hello,I have 220v and 9v electric drive kits. I used only 220v. The 9v kit does not have a connecting cable.
I have documents only for the 220v motor. It is synchronous hysteresis.
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| jack | Дата: Четверг, 22.05.2025, 14:53 | Сообщение # 9 |
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| The new model of the 2SR-M camera uses a drive from the 16SX camera.
This drive can be used for the 2SR camera if you make a transition connector.
The motor mounting system for these cameras is different!
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 27.05.2025, 01:24 | Сообщение # 10 |
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| Hello,
Thanks for the electrical diagram, I will look it over and hopefully it helps me with my motor. I have compared the 16CX motor to the 2SR, and they will match up with an adaptor. The downside is I don't think the 2SR camera body will be powered up with a CX motor unless it is built for the 2SR.
So, Jack, do you have a 2SR running? If you need a 9volt cable, I have a spare plug I can send. I have trouble working out which cable is 220v or 9 volt.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 27.05.2025, 01:27 | Сообщение # 11 |
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| and here are pictures of the three power lead plugs i have...
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 27.05.2025, 01:27 | Сообщение # 12 |
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| and another...
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 27.05.2025, 01:28 | Сообщение # 13 |
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| last one...
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| jack | Дата: Среда, 28.05.2025, 13:49 | Сообщение # 14 |
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| Thank you. I have the necessary connectors. I can't make a cable without a wiring diagram. A different cable is used for a 9 volt motor than for 220v. It has more contacts.
I have spare power supplies for a 9 volt motor. I might be able to give you one. But it was used and is probably faulty. It is impossible to check because there is no cable or diagram.
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| jack | Дата: Среда, 28.05.2025, 14:08 | Сообщение # 15 |
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| I have a second 2SR camera, it has no electric drives at all. I am going to install a motor from a 16SH. For this, I will make a metal bracket so that the motor is held on the camera body. I will also make a new coupling for the motor shaft. I am planning this work next year, and I will definitely share the result with you. For me, this is an easy job. My company is engaged in the repair and modernization of film cameras. For example, we remake cameras for super 16. We remake 35mm cameras for a format with 2 or 3 perforations per frame. We create new electric drives with modern electronics. I have a museum of film equipment, and I restore cameras to their original state for this. For this, I want the one sample 2SR to work with the original drive, as it was made at the factory.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Пятница, 30.05.2025, 13:56 | Сообщение # 16 |
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| Hello,
So you have two 2SR cameras, I am discovering they are very rare. I have one 9volt motor, and two 120-220volt motors. I am happy to send you one, I only need two motors, not three. You said you have a spare power supply for the 9volt motor? I have seen a picture of this, is it the blue metal rectangular box that houses the batteries, that the 9volt motor plugs into? I attached a picture of what I think is the 9volt power supply. Having that supply would make my life easier, trying to work out the wiring is hard. Perhaps we could trade our spare parts?
Do you have a website displaying your cine camera collection? I am not a collector, but I have acquired some nice cameras, kinor 16CX-2M, multiple Kiev 16U and 16E, and a very nice Pentaflex kit. All cameras are working.
Gareth
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| jack | Дата: Воскресенье, 01.06.2025, 22:32 | Сообщение # 17 |
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| I can give you the power supply. But there may be problems with the shipment. Customs sometimes do not allow such strange devices. In the USSR, electronic components manufactured in military factories were often used to produce professional film equipment. In the current world situation, this can be identified as a component for weapons. A person now delivers equipment to me from Europe for repair in his luggage. I will try to find out how to send it to you.
My film cameras and all other film equipment are presented on this site. https://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/index/0-50
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Понедельник, 02.06.2025, 09:18 | Сообщение # 18 |
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| I understand. I appreaciate your help. You can private message me regarding postage costs etc. Can I send you a 2SR 120/220volt motor in the same manner?
Thanks, Gareth
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| jack | Дата: Воскресенье, 08.06.2025, 15:01 | Сообщение # 19 |
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| This is the device that I can offer you if you like it. The following parts are missing: shoulder strap, battery and battery compartment cover.
There are battery terminals and an external power connector for connecting the power supply. There is a 19-pin connector for connecting the motor. The wires and electronic components have no external damage. When voltage is connected, the power indicator works.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 10.06.2025, 12:21 | Сообщение # 20 |
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| Hello,
yes, that looks exactly the power unit I need. I understand some items are missing, thats ok. I am glad it works. I am surprised there are so many electronics in the case! I have attached pictures of the 220v motor I have to send to you. The plug should fit into your transformer box. There are four wires that have become disconnected from the pins inside the plug. An easy fix. The other wires are in good shape. The motor spins easily, there does not feel any resistance, so no oxidisation or rust.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 10.06.2025, 12:22 | Сообщение # 21 |
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| and more...
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Вторник, 10.06.2025, 13:16 | Сообщение # 22 |
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| And I also have a cable to send you if you want it. It is the cable that plugs into the rear of the camera, I think it is the audio out for the camera operator to listen to the audio while filming?
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| jack | Дата: Суббота, 14.06.2025, 17:25 | Сообщение # 23 |
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| Цитата mishkinfilm (  ) yes, that looks exactly the power unit I need. I understand some items are missing, thats ok. I am glad it works. I am surprised there are so many electronics in the case! I have attached pictures of the 220v motor I have to send to you. The plug should fit into your transformer box. There are four wires that have become disconnected from the pins inside the plug. An easy fix. The other wires are in good shape. The motor spins easily, there does not feel any resistance, so no oxidisation or rust.Прикрепления: 0830845.jpg (198.9 Kb)
Hello, I don't need this cable. My box has a different connector. https://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/2SR/IMG_6436.jpg
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| jack | Дата: Суббота, 14.06.2025, 17:38 | Сообщение # 24 |
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| Цитата mishkinfilm ( ) And I also have a cable to send you if you want it. It is the cable that plugs into the rear of the camera, I think it is the audio out for the camera operator to listen to the audio while filming?Прикрепления: 9088598.jpg (165.9 Kb) · 5139574.jpg (196.3 Kb)
This is a 12 volt power cable. For the 29-EPSS motor of the 16SH camera. I don't need it.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Пятница, 11.07.2025, 15:39 | Сообщение # 25 |
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| Hello,
So I have been working on my 2SR, mostly servicing the magazines. The camera body I will be working on soon. I have to repaint the body as oxidisation has been busy with this camera body. A business I approached for help has managed to get my 240v motor running. I just have to buy a transformer and I will have a running 240v motor.
Has there been any progress on posting the 9v transformer? I am quite keen to acquire it. I suspect my 240v motor wiring will just run the camera mechanics, not power up any camera body electricals sadly.
I have updated my site with details of my progress:
https://aussiecinerepair.wordpress.com/kinor-16-2sr/
I am still updating it as i go, trying to make sure it is accurate.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Воскресенье, 24.08.2025, 14:59 | Сообщение # 26 |
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| Hello,
So I have been working on the 2SR. A local electrical business has gotten my 240volt 2SR motor running. I have also been re-painting the 2SR magazine, body, and turret. I will be painting with original colours. I wanted to paint before giving the camera a service, as I do not want to get oil or contaminants on the magnesium.
I have updated my website with my progress so far:
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https://aussiecinerepair.wordpress.com/kinor-16-2sr-magazine/
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Суббота, 20.09.2025, 09:06 | Сообщение # 27 |
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| A quick update, the paint work needs one more coat, but it looks very nice so far.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Суббота, 08.11.2025, 14:32 | Сообщение # 28 |
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| So a quick update, the painting is all finished, and I serviced the shutter assembly. When running before any work, there was a loud noise from the shutter. After I finished the service, the camera sounds much better! I have added the link: https://youtu.be/A4PDCH98U5s
I have added lots of pictures of the camera work I have done: https://aussiecinerepair.wordpress.com/kinor-16-2sr/
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| jack | Дата: Среда, 12.11.2025, 22:57 | Сообщение # 29 |
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| I wrote to you about the parcel in a private message.
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| jack | Дата: Среда, 12.11.2025, 23:19 | Сообщение # 30 |
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| Sim | Дата: Четверг, 20.11.2025, 07:23 | Сообщение # 31 |
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| [quote=jack;2879]Your website says "Kinor 16 2SR." That's not the correct name. This device isn't part of the "Kinor 16" series. The correct name is "2SR."[/quote]
The names of the "Krasnogorsk K3, K2, and K1" are also incorrect. The correct names are "Krasnogorsk", "Krasnogorsk-2" and "Krasnogorsk-3".
Models with names K1, K2 and K3 are completely different models.
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| mishkinfilm | Дата: Пятница, 21.11.2025, 14:20 | Сообщение # 32 |
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| Hello,
When researching the 2SR I came across two websites that refer to it as 16 2SR, and two websites that refer to it as 2SR. I have corrected my websites to refer to the Kinor as 2SR. I also found a page noting the 2SR-M, certainly no "16" in the name. It is attached. How is it that the 2SR shares many parts with the 16 series, yet no the name prefix?
Do you have any documents on the 2SR? User manual or similar?
And Sim, I have changed my references to the Krasnogorsk-1, 2, and 3. My mistake. Often people refer to the krasnogorsk-1 as K1, and the Krasnogorsk-3 as the K3. Perhaps it is easier to type than the full name. I have corrected my websites accordingly.
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